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horselover4life



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Age: 14
Location: north bay ontario, Canada
Member since: 07/24/2008

POSTED BY: horselover4life on 07/31/2008 [ Quote ]


i dont know why we just didnt stop breeding her.


 her name was sassy and she has always had foaling problems she was the sweetest mare you would ever meet. we first brought her from a breeder when she was almost 2 and she was going to be used for a breeding mare at our farm b/c of her conformation and her personally. the first time we bred her she had a misscarrage and we thought it was just because she was still quite young and so we bred her again and she gave birth to a still born foal. we thought it was just the stallion we had at the time he had a passed of still born foals and foal that die soon after birth. and then after a year off we tried again and she got pregant with twins and both we once again still born. at that time we got a vet involed and the vey did test and everything and said it was the stallion that we bred her but we bred her to duke and he had always made wonderfull foals. and soo we tried again when she was  6 years old and she had the foal and she died giving birth but her foal lives now as a orphan and lucky is so so lucky to be alive today and we thank sassy for leaving us a wonderful for just like her. we ended up sueing the vet that said there was nothing rong with her and all the money is going into all the care that lucky needs we sent sassy's body to a another vet to do a autopscy on her and we are waiting for the results ill let anyone who wants to know the results know when we know. ill even try for sume pics of sassy if we have any and of lucky





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HarlemManeuvers


Age: 16
Location: , United States
Member since: 06/10/2008




POSTED BY: HarlemManeuvers on 08/03/2008 00:22:07 [ Quote ]


That's so sad!! Can you message me when you get the lab results?
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horselover4life

save the horse ride the cowboy
Age: 14
Location: north bay ontario, Canada
Member since: 07/24/2008




POSTED BY: horselover4life on 08/04/2008 10:36:40 [ Quote ]


hi we got a call from the vet on the 3 of august and there still doing tests on her they are think the was a rare tormor in her uterus. that eventully was turning into cancer.


 thats just what they think they dont know for sure





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lizaard


Age: 22
Location: , United States
Member since: 02/19/2008




POSTED BY: lizaard on 08/08/2008 16:08:11 [ Quote ]


I'm sorry your mare passed away. But shame on you. Had you ever had the vet out checking her or ultrasounding her? You SHOULD have stopped breeding. But to me this situation sounds like a typical BYB to me. Maybe I am jumping the gun here, but maybe not.
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horselover4life

save the horse ride the cowboy
Age: 14
Location: north bay ontario, Canada
Member since: 07/24/2008




POSTED BY: horselover4life on 08/09/2008 12:47:44 [ Quote ]


no we did have a vet check her out and he just said that it was the stallion we were breeding her to. they did test and xrays and they did a ultra sound and they said that nothing came up. and when she died then we knew we had to get someone eles in hear to see what was the problem. it ended up being a rare cancer in her uterus. and we ended up sueing the vet that said there was nothing wrong with her. they dont know how she got it and if it was hertitary but her foal is getting beter everyday. we found him a fostermom who is now at our stable and it is helping him alot he still has his days when he mops around, but i guess you would do that 2 if you lost your mom when you were born.




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giddyupgo

Giddy Up Go
Age: 55
Location: , United States
Member since: 02/21/2008




POSTED BY: giddyupgo on 08/10/2008 16:58:07 [ Quote ]


That's so sad, so sorry to hear about your mare.




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Alana


Age: 28
Location: Davis, United States
Member since: 09/28/2008




POSTED BY: Alana on 09/28/2008 12:44:50 [ Quote ]


I'm sorry you lost your mare.  However I am very reluctant to blame the vet.  Miscarrages are common in horses although they usually happen very early in the pregnancy.  You didn't say at what point the miscarriage happened.  Before the next breeding this mare should have been cultured and ultrasounded to make sure her uterus was not affected by the miscarriage.  The resulting stillborn foal could have been from a residual infection. 


The stallion too should be cultured regularly.  I am assuming you are live covering these mares.  He can easily pass infections from one mare to the next. 


The stillborn twins were completely avoidable if you had had her ultrasounded.  Twins are almost always stillborn or born VERY sick and small.  Horses are not designed to carry twins.  The mare causes twins not the stallion so he cannot be blamed.  If the mare had been checked early the vet can usually eliminate one foal to allow the other to live.  I don't mean to be insensitive but this pregnancy was botched by you not the mare, stallion or vet.  I hope you have learned from this to, in the future, have your mares checked for signs of twins or infection.


When the vet examined your mare and said everything was OK he/she could very well been right.  Your mare did not die from cancer.  Cancer is a progressive disease.... cancer patients don't look healthy one day and fall over dead the next.   My guess is that she died from a ruptured uterine artery and bled out.  That is NO ONES fault.  It can rupture from the physical strain of birthing.  There is no way to predict it and almost never any way to save the mare.  If the bleeding is slow sometimes with multiple blood transfusions the mare can be saved... but usually they bleed out before you can hook up your trailer.  Even the fanciest of breeding facilities can lose a mare this way. 


The fact that the necropsy found uterine cancer may be coincidental.  It obviously didn't affect the foal since you had a live birth and it didn't kill your mare.  When the vet examined her before you bred her it is very likely that the cancer was not detectable at that point.  A uterine biopsy would have had to been performed and even then it can be missed if it is in stage 1.  Cancers are often accelerated by the hormones during pregnancy and it would have been over a year since the mare was examine by the vet.  It is reasonable that the cancer could have developed during that year AFTER the vet gave you the OK to breed.  And did you have the mare checked during the pregnancy to make sure everything was progressing normally and there weren't twins?  I'm guessing no.


In my opinion your lawsuit against this vet is a complete joke.  There are reasonable explanations for everything you described and your lack of proper care for a pregnant mare raises even more doubt that the vet did anything wrong.  Don't waste your money with a lawsuit.


Also, it is NOT normal for a foal to mope around... even if it just lost its mother.  Foals have a very short memory... Lucky probably forgot about the mare by the next day.  Moping foals are usually a sign of malnutrition, illness or infection.... all of which are VERY serious.  Have a vet examine the foal and advise you on nutritional needs and care of the foal.  I would hate for you to lose the foal also.





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Kristen


Age: 27
Location: Gardnerville, United States
Member since: 11/16/2007




POSTED BY: Kristen on 09/29/2008 16:56:45 [ Quote ]


I am sorry about the loss of your horse!
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bastnpny

Whoa!!!
Age: 52
Location: Morgan, United States
Member since: 09/19/2008




POSTED BY: bastnpny on 10/03/2008 22:34:02 [ Quote ]


First, I am very sorry you lost your mare.  However, as a former breeding manager, I have to agree 100% with Alanna. 




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horselover4life

save the horse ride the cowboy
Age: 14
Location: north bay ontario, Canada
Member since: 07/24/2008




POSTED BY: horselover4life on 10/16/2008 16:26:23 [ Quote ]


geez guys your soo harsh, yeah but still the vet should of seen that there was somthing wrong with her. And we did all the things you guys keep telling me we should of done.


 


 


I QUITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111





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